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		<title>By: Blog Year in Review: 2008 &#124; Real Estate Internet Marketing by Union Street Media</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blog Year in Review: 2008 &#124; Real Estate Internet Marketing by Union Street Media</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jan 2009 18:20:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] A post I wrote early on that examined changes to Craigslist&#8217;s HTML policies and Criagslist user sentiment on those changes. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Abuse Fighter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Abuse Fighter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 16:58:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Austin Apartment Guy? Humpheys?

Currently one of the worst overposter/spammers in the Austin apts for rent category - upwards of 1000 postings per day using a dozen different contact email addresses and various formats to attempt to evade detection. Gmail addresses, hotmail addresses, comcast addresses, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Austin Apartment Guy? Humpheys?</p>
<p>Currently one of the worst overposter/spammers in the Austin apts for rent category &#8211; upwards of 1000 postings per day using a dozen different contact email addresses and various formats to attempt to evade detection. Gmail addresses, hotmail addresses, comcast addresses, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: G Dewald</title>
		<link>http://blog.unionstreetmedia.com/data/craigslist-limits-use-of-html-chaos-ensues/comment-page-1/#comment-1080</link>
		<dc:creator>G Dewald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 15:00:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John: 
Thanks for stopping by and sharing your experience. I think that you are not alone in your perception that there are shady operators using Craigslist. Many of the thoughts from the original post suggest this as well. 

The larger issue for the real estate profession is that regular consumers easily equate the shady operators with the good ones. Figuring out a good solution to this problem will not be easy, I fear.

Kimberly:
Glad you like the site! The listing you link to is no longer on craigslist. But I would gather that it&#039;s a simple HTML template of some sort that is perhaps customized for the agent. There seems to be a lot of interest in this area (if my analytics on this specific post are any indication) so maybe Union Street will offer a simple solution sometime.

For now, I would bet that what you have seen is just some nice, simple and creative use of HTML that fits within the Craigslist guidelines.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John:<br />
Thanks for stopping by and sharing your experience. I think that you are not alone in your perception that there are shady operators using Craigslist. Many of the thoughts from the original post suggest this as well. </p>
<p>The larger issue for the real estate profession is that regular consumers easily equate the shady operators with the good ones. Figuring out a good solution to this problem will not be easy, I fear.</p>
<p>Kimberly:<br />
Glad you like the site! The listing you link to is no longer on craigslist. But I would gather that it&#8217;s a simple HTML template of some sort that is perhaps customized for the agent. There seems to be a lot of interest in this area (if my analytics on this specific post are any indication) so maybe Union Street will offer a simple solution sometime.</p>
<p>For now, I would bet that what you have seen is just some nice, simple and creative use of HTML that fits within the Craigslist guidelines.</p>
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		<title>By: Kimberly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kimberly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 00:24:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very interesting website...thanks! I have to comment on John that YES, I completely agree with you. But blame the listing agent. In California at least, these buyer&#039;s agents can&#039;t create their (slimey) ads, HTML or otherwise, on other agent&#039;s listings without the agent&#039;s permission.  I am primarily a listing agent and always deny permission to these buyer agents who come out of the woodwork to feed off my listings. They have ways to deceive the public and that alone is enough to make me say no for the next hundred years.

If you want to see a home, ask an agent you are comfortable with to show it to you. Choose someone you can work with because if you buy the home they showed you through another agent, they can successfully take all agents in the deal to mediation to get paid. They have a good cause for procurement so it&#039;s important to choose someone you like to show you any home.

That said, I am actually here because I use Postlets but some agents are using fantastic cascading HTML Craigslist flyers and they won&#039;t specify how it&#039;s done. Here&#039;s one:

http://sandiego.craigslist.org/csd/reb/867237816.html

Does anyone know how she does this? She says her marketing person does it and won&#039;t reveal anymore than that.

I love seeing the bright colors and large photos.  As long as it&#039;s the listing agent&#039;s posting I am fine with HTML.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very interesting website&#8230;thanks! I have to comment on John that YES, I completely agree with you. But blame the listing agent. In California at least, these buyer&#8217;s agents can&#8217;t create their (slimey) ads, HTML or otherwise, on other agent&#8217;s listings without the agent&#8217;s permission.  I am primarily a listing agent and always deny permission to these buyer agents who come out of the woodwork to feed off my listings. They have ways to deceive the public and that alone is enough to make me say no for the next hundred years.</p>
<p>If you want to see a home, ask an agent you are comfortable with to show it to you. Choose someone you can work with because if you buy the home they showed you through another agent, they can successfully take all agents in the deal to mediation to get paid. They have a good cause for procurement so it&#8217;s important to choose someone you like to show you any home.</p>
<p>That said, I am actually here because I use Postlets but some agents are using fantastic cascading HTML Craigslist flyers and they won&#8217;t specify how it&#8217;s done. Here&#8217;s one:</p>
<p><a href="http://sandiego.craigslist.org/csd/reb/867237816.html" rel="nofollow">http://sandiego.craigslist.org/csd/reb/867237816.html</a></p>
<p>Does anyone know how she does this? She says her marketing person does it and won&#8217;t reveal anymore than that.</p>
<p>I love seeing the bright colors and large photos.  As long as it&#8217;s the listing agent&#8217;s posting I am fine with HTML.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 19:28:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m an individual user of Craigslist, both buying and selling items. I&#039;ve used both Vflyer and manually generated HTML tags to format nice ads to sell things. As the value of the item goes up, the effort invested increases so that I can maximize what I get for my stuff.

Personally, I like to see nicely formatted ads and appreciate clear, larger photos. I used Vflyer to sell my car and got great response from Craigslist and never got flagged.

The specific type of ad that bothers me in Craigslist real-estate section is an ad posted by a &quot;buyer&#039;s agent&quot; that shows a specific house and generally has very limited information about the house. The house is NOT their listing, but is being used to bait people to call them. Yes, they can show that house to you, as a buyer&#039;s agent, but that fact that they&#039;re attaching their name to the property in a &quot;for sale&quot; ad seems to be a misappropriation of the listing agent&#039;s or the MLS system&#039;s copyrighted material (e.g. the photo or listing text).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m an individual user of Craigslist, both buying and selling items. I&#8217;ve used both Vflyer and manually generated HTML tags to format nice ads to sell things. As the value of the item goes up, the effort invested increases so that I can maximize what I get for my stuff.</p>
<p>Personally, I like to see nicely formatted ads and appreciate clear, larger photos. I used Vflyer to sell my car and got great response from Craigslist and never got flagged.</p>
<p>The specific type of ad that bothers me in Craigslist real-estate section is an ad posted by a &#8220;buyer&#8217;s agent&#8221; that shows a specific house and generally has very limited information about the house. The house is NOT their listing, but is being used to bait people to call them. Yes, they can show that house to you, as a buyer&#8217;s agent, but that fact that they&#8217;re attaching their name to the property in a &#8220;for sale&#8221; ad seems to be a misappropriation of the listing agent&#8217;s or the MLS system&#8217;s copyrighted material (e.g. the photo or listing text).</p>
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		<title>By: G Dewald</title>
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		<dc:creator>G Dewald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 00:17:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Spindlebot, I think that the &quot;spammers&quot; that the code change is meant to deter are the folks who consistently post and repost their ads to Craigslist. So folks who are spaming the Craigslist system and not so much the spammers/scammers who are abusing Craigslist customers.

I think your idea is probably very sound anyway. Just that it tackles a different problem. Also, keep in mind that I&#039;m not Craig. This post is mainly here to provide feedback on the thinking of people who use Craigslist and how they feel about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spindlebot, I think that the &#8220;spammers&#8221; that the code change is meant to deter are the folks who consistently post and repost their ads to Craigslist. So folks who are spaming the Craigslist system and not so much the spammers/scammers who are abusing Craigslist customers.</p>
<p>I think your idea is probably very sound anyway. Just that it tackles a different problem. Also, keep in mind that I&#8217;m not Craig. This post is mainly here to provide feedback on the thinking of people who use Craigslist and how they feel about it.</p>
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		<title>By: spindle bot</title>
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		<dc:creator>spindle bot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Oct 2008 09:24:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, if that craigslist were my business, I&#039;d setup a fake email account and a fake resume. a fake phone and then send it to all the job postings and selective ads on a rotating basis, to see which IP addresses send me spam within 24 hours and block them all immediately. There are more fake jobs now than any other time in my 5 year&#039;s of use of craisglist. Someone needs to be trawling for predators. seriously.

Considering spammers can get your address, phone and anything else they want with a resume attached, you&#039;d think they would focus on killing predators rather than killing style and fashionable looking content. but hey, maybe MY priorities are all bass ackwards and they are perfectly right to target people trying to polish-the-turd of craigslist unstyled text. I just hope I don&#039;t get my IP blocked for goofing off on their serious forums... =)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, if that craigslist were my business, I&#8217;d setup a fake email account and a fake resume. a fake phone and then send it to all the job postings and selective ads on a rotating basis, to see which IP addresses send me spam within 24 hours and block them all immediately. There are more fake jobs now than any other time in my 5 year&#8217;s of use of craisglist. Someone needs to be trawling for predators. seriously.</p>
<p>Considering spammers can get your address, phone and anything else they want with a resume attached, you&#8217;d think they would focus on killing predators rather than killing style and fashionable looking content. but hey, maybe MY priorities are all bass ackwards and they are perfectly right to target people trying to polish-the-turd of craigslist unstyled text. I just hope I don&#8217;t get my IP blocked for goofing off on their serious forums&#8230; =)</p>
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		<title>By: Austin Apartment Guy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Austin Apartment Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Sep 2008 15:30:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Craigslist- On the Warpath to STOP Spammers!!

Craigslist has now started to implement a phone verification for every account thought to be abusing the forum. Now spammers that have grown used too opening new accounts and using other deceptive practices to post ads will have to punch in their phone numbers when they open a new account, then craigslist has an automated system that will call you with a verification code. They have also posted a New Warning page that states if the forum is abused using accounts associated with that phone number then the number will be &quot;Blacklisted&quot; which I am assuming that that means you may no longer post using that number. This should take care of most of the corporate entities out there who abuse craigslist daily.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Craigslist- On the Warpath to STOP Spammers!!</p>
<p>Craigslist has now started to implement a phone verification for every account thought to be abusing the forum. Now spammers that have grown used too opening new accounts and using other deceptive practices to post ads will have to punch in their phone numbers when they open a new account, then craigslist has an automated system that will call you with a verification code. They have also posted a New Warning page that states if the forum is abused using accounts associated with that phone number then the number will be &#8220;Blacklisted&#8221; which I am assuming that that means you may no longer post using that number. This should take care of most of the corporate entities out there who abuse craigslist daily.</p>
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		<title>By: Miguel T</title>
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		<dc:creator>Miguel T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 00:47:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Up until recently, all my flyers were being flagged when I posted them to CL.  I then trimmed down the HTML and my listing started to come up again.
I also gave &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.classifiedflyerads.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;ClassifiedFlyerAds.com&lt;/a&gt; a try and it worked.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Up until recently, all my flyers were being flagged when I posted them to CL.  I then trimmed down the HTML and my listing started to come up again.<br />
I also gave <a href="http://www.classifiedflyerads.com" rel="nofollow">ClassifiedFlyerAds.com</a> a try and it worked.</p>
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		<title>By: Austin Apartment Guy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Austin Apartment Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 15:39:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, Now it seems that craigslist has created an IP based tracking system that will automatically delete your ads should you post too many regardless of how many different accounts you create. I rememeber writing to Aristotle at Craigslist a few years ago when the malitious flagging began and he suggested 20 ads per day should be fine. As far as I can tell the limit is around fifty per day before they get deleted. To answer the guy&#039;s question above; If you read CL&#039;s TOU it says clearly that the same ad should not be posted twice within a 48hr period then you &quot;it says&quot; should never post ads in two different categiries or more at once. But as far as the forum subject goes it appears that CL has taken care of the overposting problem for now. It also looks like after they auto delete your account after about three or four times the account will be &quot;Placed on hold&quot; whatever that means I guess it&#039;s like a time out that seems to wear off after about 30-60 days. But it still looks like spam and fake scam ads will ultimately be the demise of Craigslist. People just dont want to see that crap.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, Now it seems that craigslist has created an IP based tracking system that will automatically delete your ads should you post too many regardless of how many different accounts you create. I rememeber writing to Aristotle at Craigslist a few years ago when the malitious flagging began and he suggested 20 ads per day should be fine. As far as I can tell the limit is around fifty per day before they get deleted. To answer the guy&#8217;s question above; If you read CL&#8217;s TOU it says clearly that the same ad should not be posted twice within a 48hr period then you &#8220;it says&#8221; should never post ads in two different categiries or more at once. But as far as the forum subject goes it appears that CL has taken care of the overposting problem for now. It also looks like after they auto delete your account after about three or four times the account will be &#8220;Placed on hold&#8221; whatever that means I guess it&#8217;s like a time out that seems to wear off after about 30-60 days. But it still looks like spam and fake scam ads will ultimately be the demise of Craigslist. People just dont want to see that crap.</p>
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